just because joe biden is referring to ovp doesn't mean he's down with the kids on the economy. so i think all of this is kind of a lot of smoke and mirrors, but not a lot of substance. >> steve: people don't want apps, they want jobs. >> exactly. >> steve: it sounds like the republicans might take a mini deal to tide things over, maybe, if that's the best they can get? >> to me, when bill clinton gets involved, it's kind of like lucy and the football. the republicans are -- all right! clinton has a great idea and they fall. look, if it's a massive and critical problem for the country, as we've been told for months and months and months, and i think it is, then republicans have to use their leverage and advantage that they have politically now to continue to drive this message home to the people. i think they lose their leverage and i think they put off the debate for another day, which should be had now to the benefit of all americans and conservatives by forcing this issue. why put it off until after the election if you're on the right side of the political and substantive arg